David Given Schwarm
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Hôgen asked Senior Monk Kaku,
“Did you come by boat or by land?”
Kaku said,
“By boat.”
Hôgen said,
“Where is the boat?”
“The boat is on the river.”
After Kaku had withdrawn, Hôgen asked a monk nearby,
“You tell me, did that monk who was here just now have the eye or not?”
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